Josh's weBlog of Chaos

Sunday,
10th of October 2004
evening
Two-by-four Evangelism

Thinking about those times I've heard about firey street evangelists telling everyone they're going to hell, Proverbs 17:9 popped into my head. "He who forgives an offense seeks love, but he who repeats a matter alienates a friend." Here forgives means covers or hides according to my concordance. So essentially rather than always bringing something up (nagging) there's a time to set it aside if you want a good relationship with the person.
I find it interesting to think that there might be people out there who, rather than taking time out to understand and know someone well enough to present something in a way that doesn't need to be repeated over and over, chose to pound people with the same message irresponsibly. It's essentially nagging in a different mode. You see something they are doing wrong, so you tell them so, over and over. As a Christian who loves the wisdom God has provided us through the Proverbs, I wonder what people intend to gain by this? Say it once, and if they don't understand it, then don't just repeat the same old thing, something has to change, either their perception or the way you present it. Otherwise it is nagging. And especially if they aren't even our friends yet, if the Proverb says it alienates a friend, how much more harm would it do to someone who doesn't even necessarily know or like you?
Also, if we expect someone to come to Christ in love, do we think that doing something we are told brings alienation and separtion instead of love will accomplish that goal? Yet I see people who think that if they say something enough eventually it'll get through. And then they wonder why no one's listening anymore, or they wrongly think only the message is affecting the hearer, while it's also the way it's being presented.
Before I read this Proverb and understood it, I'd done something similar. I used to bring up to my youngest brother problematic characteristics in his life constantly so that he really hated me. I seldomly talked about anything else, so his expectation was negative and so was our relationship. When I moved away from home I was inspired to write letters that avoided that sore spot, and our relationship actually improved, and now I can talk to him about harder things because he listens, whereas before he had become quite closed.
Wednesday,
22nd of September 2004
evening
Seeking Those Physical Miracles

This past Sunday the scripture of John 6:24-35 was mentioned. And I thought it appeared to be showing a particular dependency on physical manifestations of miracles. From the New Jerusalem Bible:
    When the people saw that neither Jesus nor his disciples were there, they got into those boats and crossed to Capernaum to look for Jesus. When they found him on the other side, they said to him, "Rabbi, when did you come here?"
    Jesus answered: In all truth I tell you, you are looking for me not because you have seen the signs but because you had all the bread you wanted to eat. Do not work for food that goes bad, but work for food that endures for eternal life, which the Son of man will give you, for on him the Father, God himself, has set his seal.
    Then they said to him, "What must we do if we are to carry out God's work?"
    Jesus gave them this answer, "This is carrying out God's work: you must believe in the one he has sent."
    So they said, "What sign will you yourself do, the sight of which will make us believe in you? What work will you do? Our fathers ate manna in the desert; as scripture says: He gave them bread from heaven to eat."
    Jesus answered them: In all truth I tell you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, it is my Father who gives you the bread from heaven, the true bread; for the bread of God is the bread which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.
    "Sir," they said, "give us that bread always."
    Jesus answered them: I am the bread of life. No one who comes to me will ever hunger; no one who believes in me will ever thirst.
This made me think about all of the things that people tend to pray for from getting that high paying job to maintaing life in this world. These people Jesus confronted were intent on getting some more physical signs and miracles because that's what they understood. Anything beyond this reality or world would never do because that's not what they believed would help them.
It seems so easy to cry out to God asking for food because it is necessary to live, or healing from disease, or spared death from nature or even man. But the truth is that all of these are understandable within the realm of this world. None so much as touches the eternal realm that God has revealed to us. When our prayers focus on these items, it's almost as though we are fixated on this temporal place and the concerns of this world.
It seems better to focus each prayer on doing God's will here. And this doesn't preclude the possibility of going hungry, being sick for the rest of your life, or death. Whatever the condition I'm in, I hope I can value what may not be immediately tangible and obvious, because I know better through God's Word and Spirit.
Tuesday,
17th of September 2004
afternoon
Forest Fires and Destruction

A thought just occured to me. Something far fetched, probably the worst analogy, but so close to home I thought it may be worth additional thought. Certainly understanding concepts from different perspectives is extremely good and even if I find something that doesn't work out in the end, I have gained even that knowledge, which is more than I had before!
This past week I read an opinion that mentioned something supported by Bush to allow loggers easier access into National Forests and other protected wildernesses to help reduce the fire hazard. And a big reason why we have these fire hazards is that a big part of preserving forests used to be protecting it from fire. Any little blaze was snuffed out ASAP. And this was considered as the way to keep a forest healthy and preserved. But, all our ignorance has led to lots of nice flameable and sick forests.
So, the analogy I considered was a forest versus the church. Could, like what was believed best for the forest -- saving the trees from fire which may evidentally consume and kill a few --, some churches be protecting their congregations from challenges which may hurt or sever a few from the congregation? So, the congregation grows in number just like the forest's trees continue to grow unabated and large, dense, and healthy forests errupt. But what has happened in these forests spared by fire? Disease and parasites have flourished, and lots of kindling has fallen to the forest floors building up -- like unremoved plaque -- ready to make any fire that would have previously hurt only a few trees take out even those who would have been spared in the past
As for disease, I've been to Lake Arrowhead in Southern California and I'm always bothered by the bunches of dead trees just sitting there in the ground. Great fuel fore fires! :) (I forgot what exactly killed them, but I think I've heard it was a bark beetle. Most living tissue of the tree is in the bark, so this makes sense.) The disease/parasite that affects these dead trees spreads to all the neighboring trees because the weak trees harboring it are never cleaned out of the forest. Usually fire would do this, but the inhabitance probably wouldn't feel comfortable chancing a control burn, seeing as how many narrowly escaped a natural fire last year fueled by kindling in the forest and all these dead trees making it a deadly and uncontrollable inferno.
Several years back I visited a park in the Sierra's in California called Devils Postpile National Monument, and there was a hike to the Rainbow Falls. That was a real gruelling hike! I think it was 6 miles long, but it was awful, no shade! What happened to the shade? Well, there were still these nice charred sticks of what used to be pine trees all over the place for the entire hike. They had, years earlier, had a great fire there and given that it was going to be tough to battle the question arose, "perhaps if we let it burn it will grow back and be healthier," so they let it burn. I'm not suggesting it won't grow back, although all I remember seeing were bushes among the desolate landscape (and most of these seemed to congregate around the river), but it'll probably take a long time for it to be as it was before. Just like the problems inherent in strip-logging, I'm sure that this ex-forest suffers the same consequences. Little seedlings, without shade, just dry up in the sun. At least if a few trees had survived to provide some shade they wouldn't dry up quite as quickly. Oh well. It made that hike painful. (But the waterfall was great!)
So, about a church congregation untested by fire. I've been to churches where they are insistant on essentially preserving people in their congregations who really need to feel some heat. If this burns off their impurities, or perhaps instead consumes them completely so that they leave the church, then I believe it is for the best. In one church I visited, no one trusted one another because there was a threat of lawsuit. And seeing the lives of its congregants, I could see that there were people there who remained impure and degraded the quality of the congregation (dead/dying trees left standing in the forest). And in some sense the fear caused by the lack of security, unclean garbage left behind by aging and growth of each individual (even healthy trees shed extra weight at times) was kindling to allow fire to simply create a ball of flame making perhaps any attempt at trying to make a control burn hazardous. (I suppose that only leaves room for the meticulous and tedious job of slowly cleaning the area... But that's a lot of work for the relatively few people who may be willing to do it. And you'd still have to haul out all the spiritually dead tree corpses that were left standing in the forest, something which was obviously unattractive to this church.)
To make matters worse, this lack of desire for church discipline of members could also be seen in the forest analogy as a way to spread disease between the different congregants. Because the disease of false doctrine and worldliness was left unchallenged, after causing some trees to succum, it could also infect neighboring trees, threatening the entire forest! And all the dead congregants left in the forest gives testament to its lack of health and really makes it lose its beauty. (Sorry Lake Arrowhead!)
I just thought of this because I have so often heard the argument that it's best not to challenge someone about something because it may cause them to 'fall away' or 'leave the church'. Their suggestion being that while the people are in the church, they have a chance to be helped, but outside the church they may be goners. Well, my thoughts being that perhaps leaving them in the church, not dealing with the elements necessary to keep a church uncluttered with people and situations that leave it vulnerable to uncontrollable fire and disease, is not so good afterall. In 'preserving' a few, the entire church could be destroyed by impending fire or disease. So, is our goal to fill our forests with trees, or to fill our forests with healthy trees and periodically burning away the old stuff that makes it more difficult for the healthy trees to live healthfully?
Probably a bad analogy in some ways, but something curious to think about. :) And all my friends in SoCal probably can understand the fire part of it. And NorCal has had its share of fires as well.
Monday,
6th of September 2004
about noon
It Just Doesn't Dovetail.

Awhile ago Luke 20:17-18 was brought up. Jesus said, "What then is this that is written: 'The very stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner'? Every one who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces; but when it falls on any one it will crush him." And some were wondering what verse 18 may be referring in regards to falling on the stone or being crushed by the stone. I just had a though that maybe if someone was building a structure and they tried to put a piece in a place it just didn't fit, it would topple over and break apart. On the otherhand, if they tried to put their own structure where the cornerstone was to be laid, it would be crushed.
In a sense then, people who try to build their own structure in God's kingdom unaligned with God's will are destined to fail. They will be destroyed because they aren't truely apart of the structure they are trying to be apart of it in their own way.
People who try to build their own kingdom will be ultimately displaced by God's kingdom, or crushed because they are opposed to the laying of the corner stone. So, in a way this can be seen as referring to nominal Christians who do not truly follow God, they just 'act' like Christians, and to people who seek to build their own power structures to take the place of God's.